yeah, i found out from sheps links too, i'm not surprised they deleted them though, i'm glad this site has better presence on google now

the other mantid forum is too americanised, full of people talking about mantids they find in thier garden, which is ok, but i want to know how other people care for thier mantid pets, and how they cope with sourcing enclosures and housing in this country

also its so full of emoticons and bits that you cant even find the "submit post" button, its insane! also if you ask a newbie question people just go "use the search" which is a bit rude, and although they should have, doesn't exactly encourage new people to start the hobby